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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 728

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for the 18th of september 2022 richard

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saunders coming to you from sydney

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australia a bit overcast a few

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rain showers but not too bad for this

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time of year

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coming up on this week's show

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very much in the news at the moment the

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uh the death of the queen and the

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accession to the throne by king charles

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and we start off with predictions

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supposedly

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made by nostradamus himself about

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do we reserve the right to be skeptical

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lately floating around social media are

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people

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almost beside themselves

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because a book written about nostradamus

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happens to mention that in 2022 the

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queen would die

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is this a mystical insight

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is this just

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luck

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we suspect the latter but find out with

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my report

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where i look to snopes

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to find out what i can about the

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prophecies of nostradamus and king

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charles iii

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and speaking of king charles we did back

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into the archive the database of the

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great australian psychic prediction

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project

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and trying to find out what seers and

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astrologers and diviners here in

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australia had to say about the then

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prince charles in the years 2000

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to 2020.

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following that it's the

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the last skeptical poem by

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our late friend jim wilshere this one's

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not such a skeptical poem but i thought

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it was a uh a fitting poem to round off

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the series of poems by jim

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and this one talks about

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um what he would do if he was a donor

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after he died what would happen to

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bits of him it's a funny poem a

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bittersweet in a way jim wilshere's

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skeptical poem or at least poem

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the donor

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then to round off the show we go back to

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the trove archives and we read a very in

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retrospect almost comical report about

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woman's weekly written

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decades ago

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now a message from our friends in

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victoria from the vic skeptics

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monday the 19th of september

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skeptics cafe

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they have magician joe klein

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and the talk will be magical objects

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animating artifacts through the genre of

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bizarre magic storytelling now you can

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join in with the victorian skeptics for

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that talk

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no matter where you are in the world and

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for more information on that upcoming

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talk why don't you head for

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and just before we start the show a

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quick birthday shout out to the one and

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only skeptical fairy godmother angel

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from the internet happy birthday

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i think i met her once

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on a train hmm

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but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs run downstairs

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what what what what will i have this

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week what will i have this week

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however i notice here in australia in

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the audi supermarkets they're selling as

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oktoberfest range of goodies including

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my fatal weakness peanut puffs

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i'll think about peanut puffs i'll eat a

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hot crumpet while you listen to the

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i have here in my hands

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a copy of the book

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the mask of nostradamus a biography of

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the world's most famous prophet

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by james randy

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to richard saunders with thanks for

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his contributions to the skeptical world

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james randy september 5th 2007. lovely

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lovely little uh souvenir i have here

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from james randy but the book itself

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is a fascinating read it really is randy

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went to uh

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nostradamus his claims his squat trains

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the age

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in which nostradamus lived

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the original french in which the

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quatrains were written

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and i can really recommend this book

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i i think i've read it at least twice

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situation we find ourselves in the

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oh my goodness has nostradamus once

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nostradamus predicted that king charles

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will abdicate an unexpected mystery king

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16th century um astrologer and sierra

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predictions but right after the queen of

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england passed away and her son king

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nostradamus's suit and prediction is now

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surfacing an author and leading expert

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suggested that the seer predicted the

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guys so this book is mad it tells you

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literally what's going to happen every

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mad mad mad and it was actually written

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and this was published on the 15th of

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september and i'll read some of this out

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did nostradamus predict charles would

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the claim is

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elizabeth ii would die in 2022

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misleading claim that the supposed

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charles reign could be very short

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bombshell suggestion prince harry could

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no surprise to the british people as it

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republics prince charles will be 74

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2022 when he takes over the throne but

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the resentments held against him by

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diana princess of wales still persists

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the question is which son

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four in the last line nostradamus makes

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it clear that quote a man will replace

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him who never expected to be king end

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we point to the words new interpretation

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in the daily stars article because it's

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the

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is simply reading's interpretation of

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material written by nostradamus as seen

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in the screenshot from the book above

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nostradamus made no predictions specific

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to british royalty in

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2022 it goes on later in the article to

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say reading claim nostradamus quote

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makes it very clear in quote that the

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man to replace charles will be an

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unexpected one reading guesses that

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william won't take the throne for

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whatever reason and that the next in

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line would be harry

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this was all speculation however reading

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included the writing of nostradamus

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called a train at the top of his chapter

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but nostradamus writing is vague and

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makes no mention of a specific country

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or ruler now i won't

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read the french because i

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not very good at french but the english

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translation says

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because they disapprove of his divorce a

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man who later they consider unworthy the

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people will force out the king of the

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islands a man will replace him who never

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expected to be king

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because the actual writing of

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nostradamus is vague we cannot say that

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nostradamus predicted the circumstances

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around elizabeth's death

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and we can hardly say he foresaw events

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that haven't yet happened or may well

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never happen at the very best we can say

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that british author mario reading

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accurately guessed the year that queen

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elizabeth would die

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a note of context europe's kings and

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queens during the life of nostradamus

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were contextually very different than

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the uk's modern royals if king charles

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iii abdicates

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it wouldn't exactly spark a bloody power

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grab as illustrated by the gory hbo

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series game of thrones

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which is loosely based on medieval power

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struggles

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modern-day royalty in the uk is more of

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a formality than an actual seat of power

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it would be

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an

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intrigue no doubt but would probably

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have little consequence in the daily

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lives of uk citizens

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and as far as i can tell looking around

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it is

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a lucky guess by this author predicting

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the year the queen would die however as

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we mentioned a couple of weeks ago on

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the skeptics and podcast or even was it

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last week

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when we read out the uh predictions

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concerning queen elizabeth ii

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over a 20-year period here in australia

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people predicted that queen would either

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die or abdicate in about seven different

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years

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including 2025.

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indeed just to recap

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what i wrote in a little paragraph which

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is actually in the latest issue of the

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skeptic magazine as well queen elizabeth

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was a favorite of the psychics in the

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database the great australian psychic

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prediction project with a total of 26

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predictions concerning the late monarch

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however of the 26 predictions made we

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marked none as being correct outright 22

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were wrong three were expected events

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and one was too vague according to the

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seers astrologers and diviners of the

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future the queen was either to die or

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abdicate in 2004

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2010 2012 2013 2014 2018 2019 2020

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and 2025.

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towards the end of his book the mask of

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nostradamus randy writes

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there will always be those who will

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point to some quatrain i have not

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treated in this book and dear that the

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prophetic powers of nostradamus are

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proven

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in that instance

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let them consult the same sources i have

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and come to their own conclusions which

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will probably not change in any case an

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historian

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of france in

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1682 provided an appropriate epitaph for

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our subject in his review

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of the year 1566

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this year they died that trifler so

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famous throughout the world michelle

390
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nostradamus who boasted while he lived

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that he knew he could

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foretell future events by the influence

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of the stars in whose name afterwards

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many ingenuous men have put forth their

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imaginings i cannot improve upon that

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so if you happen to come across on

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social media or elsewhere

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the current story that nostradamus

399
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predicted the death of the uh

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the queen

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point them to snopes

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and i encourage you

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to

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get yourself a copy of

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the mask of nostradamus by james randy

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if you're interested in

407
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nostradamus at all once again it's a

408
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[Music]

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hmm

410
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i sure do miss going to those skeptical

411
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meetings in pubs and cafes to hear talks

412
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and interact with my friends

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[Music]

414
00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:35,280
i think i can help you with that

415
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who the hell are you

416
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i'm your skeptical fairy godmother angel

417
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from the internet

418
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you're my skeptical

419
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what relax richard i can make your wish

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come true

421
00:17:51,430 --> 00:17:49,840
what

422
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you mean

423
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free beer no

424
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no

425
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the other wish oh oh

426
00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:02,080
really yes i have news of skeptical

427
00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:05,440
meetings and talks online oh

428
00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:09,039
oh oh yes of course yes skeptics cafe

429
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:11,760
online by the vic skeptics brings you

430
00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:14,559
live and interactive skeptical talks via

431
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zoo

432
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anyone anywhere in the world is welcome

433
00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:20,720
to join in on the third monday of the

434
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month just check out the skeptics cafe

435
00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:25,760
page on facebook to see when the next

436
00:18:31,029 --> 00:18:29,600
talk is and who will be presenting

437
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alternatively

438
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see the vic skeptics website at

439
00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:38,710
for details that sounds great a

440
00:18:44,789 --> 00:18:43,120
skeptical um god fairy uh angel mother

441
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person and

442
00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:47,840
there are similar skeptical online talks

443
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happening around the country and all

444
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over the world

445
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all you need to do is search for them

446
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wow now just one more question

447
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yes

448
00:19:03,669 --> 00:19:02,240
what about the beer

449
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okay

450
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all right

451
00:19:09,909 --> 00:19:07,600
well just for you

452
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:09,919
i'll make it so you can go to the

453
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supermarket buy whatever beer you like

454
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and drink it while watching the talk

455
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online at home

456
00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:20,080
and they say miracles never happen

457
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:23,120
and to think i gave up being the tooth

458
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fairy for this

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what nothing

460
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[Music]

461
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:43,510
last week on the skeptics and podcast we

462
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brought you a list of psychic

463
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predictions made

464
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from the years 2000 to the year 2020

465
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found in the database of the great

466
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australian psychic prediction project

467
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:55,280
and these projects

468
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involved

469
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:00,320
or concerned the late queen elizabeth ii

470
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we discovered of the predictions made

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00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:05,440
we marked none

472
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as being correct outright

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[Music]

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this week i thought we'd scan the

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database again

476
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:16,480
interrogate i think is the right word

477
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:18,880
and look at predictions concerning the

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then

479
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:21,679
prince charles

480
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since the events of last week i've been

481
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tweaking the database bringing it up to

482
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date because now we know certain things

483
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:30,960
we certainly didn't know a few weeks ago

484
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and during this exercise i'll be

485
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referring to king charles as prince

486
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charles because

487
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all the psychic predictions are spoken

488
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of

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him as prince charles which he was at

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the time

491
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we discover we have 24 predictions made

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about prince charles we've marked 17 as

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wrong

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only two correct which we'll get to

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we've got two predictions marked two

496
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vague two are unknown couldn't get to

497
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the bottom of them and one prediction is

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marked as expected

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so roughly in percentage terms

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we've got uh

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something in the order of seventy

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percent of the predictions are wrong

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with only about eight percent being

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correct which more or less falls in line

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with the overall

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[Music]

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but let's take a look at some of these

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predictions made about prince charles

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[Music]

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and we'll start way back in the year

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2000

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well actually it's 1999 in the pages the

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women's day magazine athena star woman

514
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predicting for the year 2000 and 2001

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charles and camilla parker bowles to

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marry in 2000 or 2001 well of course

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they did marry but it wasn't until 2005.

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the next year and anne also writing in

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women's day magazine

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predicts i don't feel prince charles and

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camilla parker-bowles can afford to take

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that final step into marriage

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unless the monarchy

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is no longer in place

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the queen fears such a union will

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destroy the crown

527
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camilla loves charles enough to wait an

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eternity for him

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and

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probably already has

531
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of course self evidently those

532
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predictions amounted to nothing

533
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in the next year and and also writing in

534
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women's day predicted prince charles

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will have another riding accident

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falling from a horse you'll be advised

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to quit or risk permanent back or neck

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damage

539
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and we could find no such accident

540
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happening to prince charles in the year

541
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2002

542
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writing about prince charles and this is

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one of the only correct predictions

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prince charles to marry camilla

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parker-bowles

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that's it

547
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no

548
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and we might say well

549
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,480
that was the general feeling of the time

550
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:12,640
it's hardly a surprise we could almost

551
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get away

552
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by marking that as expected but we

553
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:17,840
decided to say well it's a correct

554
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prediction so it was marked as correct

555
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:23,760
and carrie colkins the next year also

556
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:26,480
predicted a right royal scandal will

557
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:28,240
emerge concerning successor to the

558
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english throne now this is a bit vague

559
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:33,919
however we did find some

560
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:37,360
uh issues in the year 2003 we've got aid

561
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of prince charles so one of his aides

562
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,919
was involved in the scandal which i

563
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:43,919
don't recall off the top of my head that

564
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:45,039
what that was

565
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:46,880
and also we've got listed here in the

566
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notes gifts for cash

567
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:51,840
so we decided that there was

568
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,320
something going on in 2003 so we marked

569
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that prediction as correct

570
00:24:01,270 --> 00:23:58,400
although once again you could argue it's

571
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,280
it's a bit vague a right royal scandal

572
00:24:05,270 --> 00:24:03,679
will emerge with with no details but

573
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,280
nevertheless

574
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:07,919
in 2004 princess

575
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:12,000
leia or liara in woman's day wrote

576
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:13,679
prince charles future as king is not

577
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,960
bright fresh anti-royal feelings flare

578
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:18,480
and the future of the monarchy is

579
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:21,440
assessed i see his year being marked by

580
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,120
despair and depression

581
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,279
he may even come to accept that he will

582
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,960
never be king

583
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,960
and we've simply marked that

584
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,080
as

585
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,400
being wrong we could see no reports

586
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,120
relating to that at the time

587
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,760
and she also predicted

588
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:40,000
there is nothing to suggest charles and

589
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:42,320
camilla will marry

590
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,200
so

591
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,279
it makes another point about the psychic

592
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:47,279
predictions in general you've got some

593
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:48,640
people predicting

594
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,080
in a toss of the coin situation well one

595
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:56,000
of these things is going to

596
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,679
uh occur

597
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:59,279
and then when it occurs the people who

598
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:01,039
said it will occur can say look it's a

599
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,520
psychic prediction i was right

600
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,440
or if something doesn't occur

601
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:07,679
people who said that can say look it's a

602
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,960
psychic prediction i was right in 2005

603
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:12,559
cathy o'brien

604
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,760
wrote in the centralian advocate

605
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:17,760
prince charles will be confronted by a

606
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:20,400
protester when he visits alice springs

607
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:21,600
in march

608
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:24,400
and we scoured newspaper reports

609
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:27,600
and we couldn't find any

610
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:29,600
time the prince was confronted by a

611
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:32,799
protester although it must be said

612
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:33,600
that

613
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,360
even at the time and probably even now

614
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:41,440
especially now if the

615
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,760
the now king does

616
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,679
uh tour every now and then he'll be

617
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:47,840
confronted by protesters that's

618
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:50,720
something we can just expect to see

619
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,080
in 2006 abby rose riding in the

620
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:56,559
sunday herald victoria

621
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,400
in victoria wrote

622
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:00,159
charles will be dogged with rumors about

623
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,720
him being gay which is why he married

624
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:05,039
camilla and we've written no credible

625
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,240
reports

626
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:08,880
on this situation could be found

627
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,000
in 2013 mitchell combs

628
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,080
commenting on the morning

629
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:16,640
show a television show

630
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,200
said prince charles would be bypassed

631
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:21,200
and william becomes king

632
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,840
if it came to that decision

633
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,360
and of course

634
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:27,120
it didn't happen and it makes no sense

635
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:29,840
anyway that doesn't uh it doesn't work

636
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:31,279
that way

637
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,480
in 2018 georgina walker writing in the

638
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:36,880
new idea magazine wrote charles and

639
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:39,120
camilla a crown will be placed on

640
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,159
charles

641
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:42,559
camilla will be seen wearing a tiara

642
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:44,799
with pink tonings

643
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:47,760
i see the number 99

644
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:49,120
flash up

645
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:52,400
this could be days weeks or september 9

646
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,080
or similar i hear she the queen

647
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:58,640
has stepped down i sense the queen has

648
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:00,880
always thought charles was risky

649
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:03,279
business and held back this opportunity

650
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:04,559
to govern

651
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:07,120
he will not be popular with many in

652
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,039
government due to his views around

653
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:11,520
environmental issues he will gain a

654
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,240
reputation as the king that rocked the

655
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:17,279
foundations of political circles

656
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,320
well

657
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:20,640
nothing like that occurred

658
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:23,360
in 2018

659
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:25,840
so we've had to mark that as wrong and

660
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:27,679
people might say well

661
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:30,799
the date of september the 9th is

662
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:32,000
mentioned

663
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,200
but the prediction is clear that uh

664
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:37,120
georgina walker is talking about

665
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:38,640
abdication

666
00:27:42,390 --> 00:27:39,679
and

667
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,400
as it happened the queen uh died on

668
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:44,880
september the 8th but again it doesn't

669
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:46,159
talk about death it talks about

670
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,440
abdication

671
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:50,080
and the rest of the prediction about

672
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,840
he will gain a reputation as the king

673
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,840
that rocked the foundations of political

674
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:55,200
circles

675
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:57,039
is yet to be seen

676
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,159
harry t

677
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,480
on an appearance on the today television

678
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:02,880
show in 2018

679
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:05,679
prince charles not meant to be king

680
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,080
crown will go to william charles will

681
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:10,320
have a short reign

682
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:13,679
which doesn't make too much sense

683
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,159
and i guess the only way that would be

684
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,240
correct is if

685
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,559
charles does not have a long reign which

686
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:22,159
is yet to be seen

687
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:24,640
but the line here crown will go to

688
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,720
william well in due course that is

689
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:29,279
entirely expected to happen

690
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:32,320
julie mckenzie uh commenting on her own

691
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:35,760
youtube channel in 2019

692
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,640
prince charles short reign in 2019 or

693
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:40,720
mid 2020

694
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,760
well

695
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,360
that didn't happen

696
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,840
in 2020 georgina walker writing a new

697
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,200
idea magazine

698
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,200
the monarchy has been significantly

699
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,520
reshaped prince charles time to be king

700
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,679
will be brought forward

701
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,440
which

702
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,080
i i can't quite make sense of that but

703
00:29:01,669 --> 00:29:00,559
in 2020 the queen did not die or

704
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,679
abdicate

705
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:03,679
and finally we have julie mckenzie again

706
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,480
on her youtube channel in 2020 his royal

707
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:08,880
highness prince charles will be revealed

708
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:12,480
he knew more about epstein's scandals

709
00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:15,360
and we could find no reports indicating

710
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:17,580
that

711
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:21,120
[Music]

712
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:23,120
so there we are and that was just some

713
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:24,799
of the predictions made about prince

714
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:25,760
charles

715
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:28,000
in the archive of the great australian

716
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:30,880
psychic prediction project

717
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,640
and dare i say i think a lot of them are

718
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,960
predictable simply talking about the

719
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:36,880
succession and

720
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:39,200
the marriage of prince charles to

721
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,159
camilla parker bowles which was

722
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:44,559
i guess we could say on the cards

723
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,510
what does the future hold for king

724
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:55,440
charles iii

725
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,039
well

726
00:30:02,480 --> 00:29:59,520
i guess we'll all have to wait

727
00:30:10,990 --> 00:30:02,490
and find out

728
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:22,950
[Music]

729
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:25,350
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730
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,159
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731
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,640
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732
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,399
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733
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,720
she writes about medicine so-called

734
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:37,200
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735
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:40,880
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736
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:43,360
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737
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:45,919
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738
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,799
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739
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:50,799
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740
00:30:54,029 --> 00:30:53,039
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741
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,039
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742
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:56,880
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743
00:31:04,470 --> 00:30:59,840
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744
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,480
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745
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,799
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746
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:08,640
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747
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:11,840
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748
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:15,360
chiropractic acupuncture homeopathy

749
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,240
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750
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:20,880
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751
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:23,840
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752
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,440
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753
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:29,279
harriet covers each topic in a

754
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:31,760
matter-of-fact no-nonsense way that's

755
00:31:38,610 --> 00:31:35,360
sure to educate and entertain skeptdoc

756
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:38,620
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757
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,350
the donor

758
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,840
i've decided to be radical and join the

759
00:31:59,909 --> 00:31:57,840
growing donor list

760
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,919
tick the box on my organ which states

761
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:01,600
what won't be missed should the worst

762
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:05,039
happen to me and i pass away my cares

763
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:07,279
i donate my driver's license to someone

764
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:08,960
who's lost theirs

765
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:11,279
maybe i could extend it to many other

766
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:13,760
things which i own if something happens

767
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:17,200
to me they can transplant my phone

768
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,360
or even my old computer should i be

769
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:21,679
slipped a mortal slap can be passed on

770
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:24,640
to the family of some poor chipless chap

771
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,840
if i should fall victim to some dark and

772
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:29,519
malignant rumor

773
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:31,840
then i bequeath my laughing bits and my

774
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:34,320
sense of humor to anyone who can use

775
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,000
them and set the lahar hafta free

776
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:40,399
and for anyone who needs it

777
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:43,850
i'll donate my instant rep rt

778
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,750
it's time once again to go back to those

779
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:03,600
archives at trove

780
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,559
trove dot n l a dot g o v dot a u

781
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:10,559
the online resource from the national

782
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,240
library of australia

783
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,000
supported no doubt by the australian

784
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,840
government

785
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:17,039
full

786
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,320
to overflowing of digitized newspapers

787
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:22,080
and so on

788
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,360
what an important asset this is our

789
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,440
history as told in the pages of

790
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:29,600
publications going back

791
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:32,480
to the 1800s

792
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,640
and only uh the other week i was

793
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:36,240
searching through some

794
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,240
canadian newspapers and i found a

795
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,279
reference from my father to my father

796
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:42,960
who

797
00:33:47,970 --> 00:33:45,440
it is reported here on friday the 10th

798
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:47,980
of january 1969

799
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:49,360
[Music]

800
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,480
in

801
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,799
a manitoba newspaper

802
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,240
and under the

803
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:56,880
heading of falkland news

804
00:34:02,870 --> 00:33:59,360
it's reported a christmas concert on

805
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,880
sunday evening december 22nd was held at

806
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,279
grahamdale united church

807
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:07,760
with a nice crowd in attendance

808
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:09,919
reverend saunders showed a christmas

809
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:12,879
film which was enjoyed by all and a

810
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:15,919
tasty lunch was served

811
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,159
what a find what a find it's a pity my

812
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,399
parents aren't here anymore i'm sure

813
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,079
they would have got a laugh out of

814
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:24,079
seeing that reference all those years

815
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:25,280
ago

816
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,720
but you never know what you're going to

817
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,399
find when you search for

818
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,480
references and things in the digital

819
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:32,399
archives of newspapers from around the

820
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,440
world but today we're back in australia

821
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,520
and our search term is one we've had

822
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,280
before about a year or so back on the

823
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,760
skeptic zone but it's worth revisiting

824
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:44,000
of course it's that old-fashioned term

825
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:45,760
you don't hear much anymore it's sort of

826
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:47,679
been consigned to

827
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,399
the history book somewhat the term is

828
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:52,240
esp

829
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:53,280
extra

830
00:35:02,780 --> 00:34:56,240
sensory perception which is a very

831
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:03,990
[Music]

832
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,320
so we turn to the pages and it's only

833
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:08,880
one reference this week we turn to the

834
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,599
pages of the australian

835
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:13,520
women's weekly

836
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:16,240
dated july 23

837
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,520
1980 and the story is called

838
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,079
what's happening in esp

839
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:24,320
today

840
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:25,680
it's um

841
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:28,320
it's a little bit strange because

842
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:30,160
it says what's happening in esp today

843
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,839
question mark

844
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,839
but it's um it's it's i guess it's a

845
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:36,000
question but it's a statement as well it

846
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:37,599
reads better as a statement what's

847
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:40,480
happening in esp today statement instead

848
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:41,359
of

849
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:44,000
what's happening in esp today question

850
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:45,520
mark hmm

851
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,320
make of that what you will

852
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,079
here's the story

853
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:52,160
goes over three pages in this magazine

854
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:55,040
or really two pages one page has sort of

855
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,079
split up

856
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,720
psychic research was long ago taken from

857
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:01,440
the world of fiction and is the subject

858
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,280
of a serious scientific investigation dr

859
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,760
charles osborne a senior physics

860
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:09,280
lecturer at corfield institute of

861
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:12,400
technology has been delving into the

862
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,200
phenomenon of esp since 1977.

863
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:19,680
three years before this was written all

864
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:20,560
right

865
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:23,520
the world of the psychic researcher is

866
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:25,280
very different from that depicted in the

867
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:28,079
media it is not a world of things that

868
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:31,599
go bump in the night or people with

869
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:34,480
superhuman powers

870
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,880
well let me stop right there and say

871
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:38,640
that's exactly what they're trying to

872
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:41,440
determine whether people have superhuman

873
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,880
powers if somebody was psychic

874
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,240
i guess you'd have to regard them as

875
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:48,560
superhuman but if if they were truly

876
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:50,000
psychic then that would simply be a

877
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,839
natural ability then they wouldn't be

878
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,599
superhuman

879
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,200
i digress

880
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:57,359
rather most of the research is as

881
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,680
routine as in other areas of science so

882
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,000
what is happening in esp

883
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:06,160
ah now that makes more sense

884
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:09,520
as a question telepathy

885
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,119
this is the oldest experimental area of

886
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,240
psychic research and gone are the days

887
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:18,640
when subjects were expected to

888
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:21,599
experiment with cards using various

889
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:22,880
symbols

890
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:24,640
the modern work in this field which

891
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,200
started with gertrude schmeidler charles

892
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:29,760
onerton rex stanford and others

893
00:37:34,349 --> 00:37:32,560
concentrates on what is called free

894
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:34,359
response general

895
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,560
extrasensory perception

896
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:39,040
gesp experiments

897
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:40,880
and covers the areas of telepathy

898
00:37:44,270 --> 00:37:43,359
clairvoyance precognition

899
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:44,280
and

900
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:45,920
retrocognition

901
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:48,560
in these experiments the targets chosen

902
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:51,200
for the subjects include music emotions

903
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,599
drawing and sensations

904
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,440
in the past three months i have been

905
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:57,520
conducting an experiment involving the

906
00:38:02,950 --> 00:37:59,920
use of hypnosis to produce a heightening

907
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:02,960
of telepathy one of the targets used was

908
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:05,839
a drawing of a giant fly

909
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:08,240
standing over a house the subject was

910
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:11,440
required to try to send a mental picture

911
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:13,520
of the drawing to another subject

912
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:15,599
by means of telepathy

913
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,400
when the sender saw the drawing she gave

914
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,920
a grimace

915
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:22,000
and it was quite obvious that she

916
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:25,200
disliked it and when the experiment was

917
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:27,760
completed the person receiving the

918
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:31,119
drawing said even though she did not get

919
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:34,480
the target fully correct she knew that

920
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:38,240
it was a distasteful object

921
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:39,599
well there you go

922
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:41,920
proof positive the major breakthroughs

923
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:44,480
in the telepathy research have occurred

924
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:47,119
in the use of what are called altered

925
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:51,200
states of consciousness a s c

926
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,599
it has been known for a long time that

927
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:55,920
if you float in a warm bath put a

928
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,240
flannel over your eyes and let your

929
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,640
ears lie beneath the water level then

930
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,119
after a short time you'll find that you

931
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,920
start to daydream

932
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,280
what a shock

933
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,440
in modern experiments there are three

934
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:12,079
methods of producing such states

935
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,599
hypnosis drugs or gansfield the

936
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,440
gansfield is a

937
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:18,960
variant of the

938
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:20,960
bathtub but this time the eyes are

939
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:23,520
covered with ping-pong ball halves

940
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,320
and the ears covered with earphones the

941
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:28,960
subject is seated in a comfortable chair

942
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:31,680
and a warm pink or white light shines on

943
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,040
her face so that she loses the sense of

944
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,160
sight temporarily and radio static

945
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:40,560
comfortable level is played through the

946
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,520
earphones the subject is then told

947
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:45,599
through the earphones to talk about what

948
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,160
she sees in the mind

949
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:50,320
in one recent u.s experiment a female

950
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,320
subject reported that she was floating

951
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:54,800
over a landscape and she could see the

952
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,520
name of a nightclub in manhattan

953
00:40:03,030 --> 00:39:59,760
then the scene changed to a nightclub

954
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,040
marquis in las vegas the target was

955
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:05,599
seven photographs of a building and

956
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:07,599
nightclubs in las vegas

957
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:11,040
my work shows similar visual imaging

958
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:12,400
the important point about these

959
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:15,599
experiments is that they can be done

960
00:40:20,310 --> 00:40:18,560
with any person subjects do not have to

961
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:20,320
be specially gifted

962
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:23,200
research into telepathy in adults shows

963
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:25,839
what we always knew

964
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,560
that there is telepathy when emotion is

965
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,079
involved

966
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:32,480
work on espn children has produced some

967
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:34,880
extremely interesting results it shows

968
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,920
that telepathy is extremely strong in

969
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,160
the very young especially if we use

970
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:42,400
targets that are recognizable for

971
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:45,280
example four-year-olds will do well when

972
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,920
we use jelly beans or chocolates and

973
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:49,760
nine-year-olds will do well on targets

974
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:53,040
which they make up themselves boys do

975
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:56,960
well if we use footballs spiders dogs

976
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,680
guns and other objects associated with

977
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:00,720
boys

978
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,760
while girls like pictures of pop stars

979
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,440
dresses horses

980
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:07,920
and swap cards

981
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,160
oh yes 1980

982
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:12,960
results show that telepathy seems to be

983
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:15,520
strongest between friends when they are

984
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:19,440
nine years old and are inconsistent when

985
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:20,960
they reach 10.

986
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,800
if the children have strong beliefs in

987
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,119
the possibility of telepathy then they

988
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:27,599
will succeed whereas if they are told it

989
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:28,880
is impossible

990
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:31,680
then it will not work

991
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:33,839
oh i would have loved to have seen the

992
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:36,000
protocols for those tests

993
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,000
out-of-body experiences

994
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,920
this is an area where an interesting

995
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:41,440
breakthrough has occurred in the past

996
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:43,839
few years one of the problems has always

997
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,240
been whether the person actually leaves

998
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:48,720
his or her body when they experience a

999
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,599
place outside their physical selves

1000
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:54,160
the types of experience

1001
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:56,720
which have been investigated range from

1002
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,040
brief experiences when subjects appear

1003
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,880
to be hovering a few centimeters above

1004
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:03,599
their bodies detailed experiences of

1005
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:05,920
pulling out of the physical body in much

1006
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:08,960
the same way as you peel out of

1007
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,839
rubber washing gloves and moving into

1008
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:13,359
adjoining rooms

1009
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,560
seeing

1010
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,480
events taking place

1011
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:18,480
in that room

1012
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:21,280
and returning after some time

1013
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:25,119
to re-enter the physical body in as

1014
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,800
vivid a manner as was involved in

1015
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,440
leaving it some people say this type of

1016
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:33,280
experience is nothing more than

1017
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:34,720
hallucination

1018
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,359
however there are a number of cases in

1019
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:39,680
which subjects having these experiences

1020
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,079
find themselves in a remote location and

1021
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,359
obtain accurate information about it

1022
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,760
the more interesting cases occur when

1023
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,520
such subjects find themselves in a

1024
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,119
remote location

1025
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:53,359
and a second person physically at the

1026
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:56,319
location experiences their presence

1027
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,920
karl osis questioned persons who were

1028
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,440
able to have

1029
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:04,000
out of body experiences to describe how

1030
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:07,200
they viewed objects it appears

1031
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,160
it appears that they see them as they

1032
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:12,720
would if floating above the objects

1033
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:16,560
however it could be simply that esp is

1034
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:19,200
involved and the person does not leave

1035
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:20,960
his body

1036
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:23,359
recently robert morris of the university

1037
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:25,839
of california at santa barbara worked

1038
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,119
with stuart harari who is able to have

1039
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:31,119
voluntary control

1040
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:33,920
over his out of body experiences they

1041
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,599
used human animal and physical detectors

1042
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:39,599
in a remote location to see if they

1043
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,480
could detect harare morris also asked

1044
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:44,319
harari to obtain information about a

1045
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:46,960
remote location and morris tried to see

1046
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,240
if there were any body changes the

1047
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,079
results were fascinating

1048
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:54,640
some humans in adjacent rooms reacted to

1049
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,359
harare's presence however

1050
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:59,520
much more work has to be done to

1051
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,400
determine consistency the receivers were

1052
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:04,560
told to talk when they felt harare's

1053
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:07,119
presence when it comes to

1054
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:11,440
animals rats and snakes did not respond

1055
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:14,000
but a small kitten always became

1056
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,599
extremely quiet at the times that harari

1057
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:20,000
felt that he was in the room where the

1058
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:21,680
cat was situated

1059
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:24,640
as the animal got older it responded

1060
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:27,280
less frequently now that's an experiment

1061
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:29,359
i could have been part of

1062
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,720
why not

1063
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,200
as regards to the ability of harare to

1064
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,760
detect parts of the environment there

1065
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:37,839
were some interesting but inconclusive

1066
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:40,640
results the only body changes that were

1067
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:43,680
recorded were changes in heart rate and

1068
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:46,720
respiration in my work i have found that

1069
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,040
training of subjects with inconsistent

1070
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:51,440
out-of-body experiences has had some

1071
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:54,640
success a person who has had out-of-body

1072
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:57,760
experiences should try to recreate in a

1073
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:00,240
game situation the conditions which led

1074
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:02,800
to the previous experience more than

1075
00:45:06,030 --> 00:45:05,040
eighty percent of participants

1076
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,040
have been

1077
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:08,800
re-activated and all have reported that

1078
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,599
the technique is extremely helpful a

1079
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:13,920
recent survey by dean shields of the

1080
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,480
university of wisconsin has found that

1081
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,119
out-of-body experiences occur in about

1082
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,079
90 percent of the world's cultures so it

1083
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:24,720
is probable that the experience is

1084
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,760
common

1085
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:27,760
well if dean shields of the university

1086
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,319
of wisconsin did find that

1087
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:32,880
he should have received his nobel prize

1088
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:35,119
some time ago

1089
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:36,640
we read on

1090
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:39,839
however one surprise is that the silver

1091
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:44,079
chord idea which is the soul is attached

1092
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:45,760
to the body by a chord during the

1093
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,880
experience is only reported in one of 67

1094
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:53,119
different cultures the british american

1095
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,000
culture which may mean the chord idea is

1096
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,880
a reflection of belief rather than being

1097
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,400
a reality

1098
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,480
oh you're so close to being on the right

1099
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:04,400
track there

1100
00:46:09,150 --> 00:46:07,280
a reflection of belief rather than being

1101
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:09,160
a reality

1102
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,800
psychokinesis

1103
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:12,960
this ability

1104
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:18,960
it's like a foregone conclusion

1105
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,440
this ability of humans to influence

1106
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:24,480
objects by mental processes attracts the

1107
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:26,000
most attention

1108
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:27,440
1980

1109
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,119
yeah it wasn't that long ago when this

1110
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:31,680
was written that um spoon betting was a

1111
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:32,720
thing

1112
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:35,119
we have all red of objects floating

1113
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,240
across the room as if on a string

1114
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:40,480
so what is the real situation

1115
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:43,680
helmet schmidt of the mind science

1116
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:46,480
foundation in san antonio texas has

1117
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,599
designed a machine which consists of a

1118
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,359
set of flashing lights arranged in a

1119
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:53,520
circle the lights are controlled by a

1120
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,319
device which produces electronic signals

1121
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,880
which light the lights if psychokinesis

1122
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:00,720
were not present the lights would blink

1123
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:03,200
on and off sometimes clockwise and

1124
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,560
sometimes anti-clockwise or

1125
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,079
counterclockwise

1126
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:10,240
i think it's also known as depending on

1127
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:11,839
where you are in the world

1128
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:14,560
it was found that some people could will

1129
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:16,240
the movement of the lights in a

1130
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,079
clockwise motion

1131
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:20,240
now since the machine is out of the

1132
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,760
experimenter's

1133
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,880
control

1134
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:24,960
here we see technology working in a

1135
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,359
field regarded as traditionally

1136
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:29,680
anti-technological

1137
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,240
no discussion of modern experimentation

1138
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:34,640
would be complete without reference to

1139
00:47:38,550 --> 00:47:37,040
using a computer

1140
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,560
the following experiment has been

1141
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:40,720
repeated a number of times

1142
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,119
a list of words which are paired are

1143
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:45,520
given to a subject to memorize after

1144
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,160
three minutes the task is changed to

1145
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,800
adding up numbers then after this the

1146
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,520
subject is asked to repeat the pairs as

1147
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,000
best they can in the meantime the

1148
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,400
computer has generated all possible

1149
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:01,200
pairs from the list so that there are

1150
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,000
100 possible combinations

1151
00:48:08,550 --> 00:48:06,720
i hope you're keeping up a number of

1152
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:08,560
groups have found that the pairs that

1153
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,359
are most remembered are those that occur

1154
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,000
most often on the computer printout

1155
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:15,920
which means the computer was influenced

1156
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:17,570
by the mind

1157
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:18,720
[Music]

1158
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:22,400
well that's quite a um bold conclusion

1159
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:25,040
recent experiments have been performed

1160
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,240
in which mongolian gerbils a small

1161
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,359
rodent will run in a cage which is like

1162
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,119
an endless treadmill

1163
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,440
they had their speed increased by

1164
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,200
psychokinesis

1165
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,200
really well that would be uh great if

1166
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:41,359
you could do that at the uh the horse

1167
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:42,640
racing track

1168
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,160
in another experiment knife fish

1169
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:49,119
which are related to electric eels had

1170
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:51,200
their movements altered again by

1171
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:53,920
psychokinesis because the fish work out

1172
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:56,640
their movements using their electric

1173
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:57,920
signals

1174
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:01,119
oh here we go here we go next heading

1175
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:02,720
metal bending

1176
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:05,599
this is an area that has caused a deal

1177
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:08,160
of heartburn after all what is more

1178
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:10,559
useless than deforming metal

1179
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:17,589
john hasten of bierberg college has

1180
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,000
taken the experiments to a much greater

1181
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:23,280
level of sophistication and has designed

1182
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:26,800
a key which has miniature devices called

1183
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:29,920
strain gauges inside the key the

1184
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,000
subjects are not allowed to touch the

1185
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,079
key and the degree of bending is

1186
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:36,160
measured by the strain gauges

1187
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,720
in my work i have used hypnosis to

1188
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:41,040
produce a state where the subject thinks

1189
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:43,760
that he cannot exert any physical

1190
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:44,800
strength

1191
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,440
this is tested with a

1192
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:49,200
hand grip test

1193
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:52,400
and then the bending is commenced i have

1194
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,200
found no real differences occur

1195
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:57,200
related work has shown that subjects can

1196
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:58,880
change the temperature reading of a

1197
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,160
thermometer even when it is in a glass

1198
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:05,119
of water which has a constant

1199
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,319
temperature

1200
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:08,880
again i would have loved to have been

1201
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,400
there to see these tests conducted

1202
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:14,160
reincarnation

1203
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:16,240
it is common especially in india for

1204
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:18,559
children to claim they have lived before

1205
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,800
and can remember details of a previous

1206
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:21,920
life

1207
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,400
dr ian stevenson of the university of

1208
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:26,960
virginia has studied 1

1209
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:29,839
700 cases since 1961.

1210
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,400
in a large number of cases stevenson

1211
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:34,720
found that the subject had

1212
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:38,000
heard details from perfectly natural

1213
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:39,040
sources

1214
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:41,440
and had stored the information in the

1215
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,400
subconscious however after eliminating

1216
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,040
such cases stevenson is left with

1217
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:49,119
unexplained cases

1218
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,960
and i'll just stop here briefly to say

1219
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:51,920
that

1220
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,079
every word at the end of the sentences

1221
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:56,559
in this column is sort of wrapped around

1222
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:57,839
this scan

1223
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:59,599
if you know what i mean so some words

1224
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,800
are cut off

1225
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,559
so it's a little tricky to read but

1226
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,400
we'll continue

1227
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:06,400
the method used to investigate such

1228
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:09,280
cases is very simple interviews are held

1229
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:11,839
and questions are asked about where the

1230
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:15,440
person supposedly lived how old they

1231
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,160
were when they died and what were the

1232
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,640
special features of the claimed memories

1233
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:22,880
the most interesting results in the work

1234
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:25,839
show that if the subject lives in a city

1235
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:28,880
then the previous life will be in a city

1236
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,280
the age of the subject will be less than

1237
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,119
and i think it's ten

1238
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:35,680
because there's a one printed and the

1239
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:37,520
following character is hidden so it's

1240
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:39,839
probably 10. the age of the subject will

1241
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:42,640
be less than 10 and about half

1242
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,040
the previous lives ended violently and

1243
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:49,680
ages at death are usually greater than

1244
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,119
30 years old there are accounts where

1245
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:55,760
under hypnotic regression people claim

1246
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,160
to experience previous lives

1247
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,079
the method used by the hypnotist is to

1248
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,480
tell the person to search out other

1249
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:05,200
lives and other places and the subjects

1250
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,359
are led on their journey there is very

1251
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:09,599
little control on giving the persons

1252
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,040
hints and the follow-up investigation is

1253
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:15,440
usually non-existent

1254
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:17,359
and it concludes

1255
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:19,440
what of the future

1256
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:21,520
in australia there is a need for

1257
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:24,319
centralized testing laboratories and

1258
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:26,960
more testing of children people who have

1259
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:29,760
had psychic experiences should contact

1260
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:32,319
the corefield institute of technology

1261
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:36,960
900 dandenong road po box 197 crawfield

1262
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:40,079
east 3145

1263
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:41,920
isn't that interesting the last tiny

1264
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,960
paragraph

1265
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:44,960
talks about the future

1266
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:47,440
which is now the past

1267
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:48,720
and

1268
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:51,119
we could save that guy a lot of time

1269
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:53,119
if we could go back in time but that's

1270
00:52:58,100 --> 00:52:55,760
not how time works and that's not how

1271
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:58,110
the gaining of knowledge works

1272
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:01,599
[Music]

1273
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:02,400
now

1274
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:05,200
i had a quick look around for charles

1275
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:06,640
osborne

1276
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:10,240
and i did find another reference to him

1277
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:12,800
and roughly the same era from the

1278
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:15,200
bulletin magazine

1279
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:19,200
stated the 6th of april 1982

1280
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:22,880
in an article by philip adams about

1281
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:25,520
the bent spoon award

1282
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:28,000
where he talks about various nominations

1283
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:29,680
for the benspoon that year

1284
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:32,400
and a paragraph here says finally it's

1285
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:35,359
the academic section where a strange

1286
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:38,720
alchemy turns the taxpayers money into

1287
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,119
arrant nonsense let us introduce the

1288
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:43,920
three contenders beginning with dr

1289
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:46,160
charles osborne of the corefield

1290
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:49,440
institute of technology year in year out

1291
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:51,760
osborne lectures on his experiments with

1292
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:54,960
telepathy clairvoyant psychokinesis and

1293
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:57,920
the 40 psychic kids he claims to have

1294
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:00,720
located in melbourne osborne always

1295
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:04,079
seems to be about to publish his results

1296
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,240
yet will not allow independent testing

1297
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:08,160
of his subjects and their claimed

1298
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:12,640
ability to bend metal by psychic means

1299
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:13,520
and

1300
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:16,240
i could find little else on this

1301
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:19,119
character so i really don't know

1302
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:21,920
what the ultimate story was there

1303
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:24,640
so there you are way back in 1980 this

1304
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:26,240
was published

1305
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:27,280
as

1306
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:29,440
more or less a report about what's going

1307
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:31,680
on in esp

1308
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:34,480
and that report written in the pages of

1309
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:37,359
the australian women's weekly in 1980

1310
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:41,520
was not long at all before

1311
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:43,440
james randy flew out to australia to

1312
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:46,400
conduct his water divining tests

1313
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:48,880
which more or less led to the formation

1314
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:55,750
yes i would love to have a time machine

1315
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,720
to travel back to 1980 to be part of all

1316
00:55:02,790 --> 00:55:00,400
that

1317
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:02,800
but you don't need a time machine to

1318
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:05,359
enjoy all the articles available at your

1319
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:08,480
fingertips when you visit trove

1320
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:12,160
that's t-r-o-v-e dot n-l-a dot g-o-v dot

1321
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:13,440
a-u

1322
00:55:20,050 --> 00:55:15,920
and you never know what psychic

1323
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:20,060
experiments you might find

1324
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:42,870
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1325
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:44,400
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1326
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:47,520
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1327
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1329
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:53,200
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00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:55,359
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1331
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:57,680
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1332
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:00,480
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1333
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:03,119
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1334
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,040
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1335
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,599
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1336
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:10,079
now here's something to look forward to

1337
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:13,040
uh soon i hope i'm working on a report

1338
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:15,760
put together by our reporter in canada

1339
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:17,599
adrian hill with

1340
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:20,160
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1341
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:21,920
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1342
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:24,720
and our dear friend

1343
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,319
kelly burke

1344
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:28,960
over in the united states of course all

1345
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:31,680
of these three people are teachers

1346
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:33,359
either current teachers or former

1347
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:36,559
teachers so they've put together a very

1348
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,839
interesting report which i will

1349
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,520
make into segments

1350
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,520
about teaching

1351
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,839
again i won't give away too much what i

1352
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:47,280
think i'll do is i'll think i'll have

1353
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:49,839
that spread over a number of weeks

1354
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:53,520
and also put it up as a special on the

1355
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,559
skeptic zones youtube page but stay

1356
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:58,640
tuned for more information about that

1357
00:57:02,309 --> 00:56:59,920
coming up

1358
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:02,319
uh maybe even as early as next week but

1359
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:04,559
pretty soon anyway and my sincere thanks

1360
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,440
to adrian michelle and kelly for taking

1361
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:09,599
the time to uh

1362
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:12,720
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1363
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:14,480
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1364
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:16,240
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1365
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:18,960
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1366
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:20,960
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1367
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,319
really do

1368
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:24,240
but for this week this is richard

1369
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:26,079
saunders signing off from sydney

1370
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,789
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1371
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1384
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1385
00:58:12,510 --> 00:58:10,880
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1387
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:25,190
hello to the people who listen after the

1388
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:27,200
music uh we're going to play the dice

1389
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:30,960
game this week i have a four-sided die a

1390
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,400
d4

1391
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:34,480
one two three or four this is where i

1392
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:37,359
roll the die and you use whatever powers

1393
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:39,280
you like getting my skeptic's own pen

1394
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:40,960
ready to write down the results to

1395
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:43,440
predict what number will come up

1396
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:45,040
you've got a one in four chance sorry

1397
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:46,640
susan

1398
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:49,280
this is uh this die has not got a five

1399
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:52,000
on it hmm anyway roll number one here it

1400
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:52,810
is

1401
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:54,240
[Music]

1402
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:56,079
three

1403
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:58,079
okay

1404
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,880
and roll number two coming up

1405
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:02,960
[Music]

1406
00:59:08,110 --> 00:59:05,280
four

1407
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:08,120
final roll coming up

1408
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:09,359
[Music]

1409
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,440
two

1410
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,200
well there you go i mean there's only

1411
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:15,599
four numbers to choose from

1412
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:19,200
today's or this week's numbers are three